very true what you wrote, and i am trying to be as adamant as i can to discourage this is idea of cracking the bootloader, it is a bad idea. The biggest difference for me is it is a one shot deal, and its bricked, not like other phones where you can play around with it and try and try again.
Totally agree. This is definitely a "DO NOT ATTEMPT THIS EVER" situation. Total falcon kick to android dev's chest.
I know so many people who are planning on getting this device and geting root and ROMs, and I'm like "NOOOOOOOooooo!" /*slow-mo dive to cover entrance to VZW store*/
I'm trying to think of an analog equivalent so it makes sense to non-tech friends. Any ideas?
Nope, you do in fact need a custom kernel to get wifi tethering. that is why back when the droid first came out we have to push the drivers and so forth to the device first before it worked also.
What about Barnacle Wifi Tether?
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I was under the impression that it did not require a custom ROM / kernel to work.
Nope, you do in fact need a custom kernel to get wifi tethering. that is why back when the droid first came out we have to push the drivers and so forth to the device first before it worked also. However it had come a long way since the first rooting and custom ROMs where it is a given pretty much that the cusotm ROM will have everyhting you need.
It is a given it will brick. I actually have a picture from a contact of min of 50 Droid 2 that were all bricked by this new design while they were testing the feature out. And per my contact they are all going back from scrapping as they are now useless. Moto has purposely designed it so when the eFuse pops the device will not boot and turns it into a paperweight.
Thanks for the explanation.
So is it safe to assume that software updates are not blowing eFuses then? Or software updates have boot loaders in them? Cuz all it will take is for an OTA update to brick the phone and this new bootloader lock will have to be scrapped ASAP. I assume if software updates are not blowing eFuses there is a way around this. Like another bootloader run along side the orig one. Maybe from the SD Card. Someone mentioned something like that on another forum.
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Maybe this is the time to discover dual booting on Android phones.....
highly saddened by this news. I was interested in the D2 (not so much the X with the NinjaBlur or whatever they're going to call it) to replace my D1, now, since I can't set it up similarly, it's making me wait for the new LTE HTC phones with 1.5ghz etc...(crosses fingers)
The primary application of this technology is to provide in-chip performance tuning. If certain sub-systems fail, or are taking too long to respond, or are consuming too much power, the chip can instantly change its behavior by 'blowing' an eFUSE. This process does not physically destroy the eFUSE, so it is reversible and repeatable, using JTAG programming.
Sorry to disappoint everyone but i will be updating the og post with this info. Motorola has transformed the eFuse chip, it is no longer able to be programmed via JTAG and the program and device is as yet unknown outside motorola.
Sorry to disappoint everyone but i will be updating the og post with this info. Motorola has transformed the eFuse chip, it is no longer able to be programmed via JTAG and the program and device is as yet unknown outside motorola.
P3...so what is there reason for all this encryption?
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From what i've heard, is that this is done to protect Motorola intellectual property (IP) with no attempt to lock out the dev community. We are an after thought.
Is there any way we could let them know that we aren't trying to destroy their intellectual property? In fact, all we're doing is making it better. I guarantee google got most of the android ideas from us through custom roms
Is there any way we could let them know that we aren't trying to destroy their intellectual property? In fact, all we're doing is making it better. I guarantee google got most of the android ideas from us through custom roms
In short, no.
See this article posted on the MOTODEV blog. It basically told Milestone customers to buy a different device.
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Can you believe that? The lady from Moto actualy says, "We understand there is a community of developers interested in going beyond Android application development and experimenting with Android system development and re-flashing phones. For these developers, we highly recommend obtaining either a Google ADP1 developer phone or a Nexus One, both of which are intended for these purposes." Basically, she tells people to buy a different phone!! Now that's great marketing.
Unless Motorola decides to open a future device, I will never buy another Motorola device again.
See this article posted on the MOTODEV blog. It basically told Milestone customers to buy a different device.
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Can you believe that? The lady from Moto actualy says, "We understand there is a community of developers interested in going beyond Android application development and experimenting with Android system development and re-flashing phones. For these developers, we highly recommend obtaining either a Google ADP1 developer phone or a Nexus One, both of which are intended for these purposes." Basically, she tells people to buy a different phone!! Now that's great marketing.
Unless Motorola decides to open a future device, I will never buy another Motorola device again.
Hanging on to my DROID until the wheels fall off.
Geez! Thats so obnoxious! If I were that stupid lady, I'd listen to the consumer yelps.
This is nothing more than a TPM style chip. You have two options, bypass the efuse chip altogether (which will probably require a hardware hack) or crack the signed firmware/kernel information so as to assign the info to custom software and trick the chip into thinking it's official. I believe there's already a method for loading roms without having to hack the bootloader, otherwise you'll have to crack the encryption or find a hole. The X is getting a software update on launch and from what I hear it is primarily to plug a hole that moto already found. So you may want to hold off on that update for a bit.
This is nothing more than a TPM style chip. You have two options, bypass the efuse chip altogether (which will probably require a hardware hack) or crack the signed firmware/kernel information so as to assign the info to custom software and trick the chip into thinking it's official. I believe there's already a method for loading roms without having to hack the bootloader, otherwise you'll have to crack the encryption or find a hole. The X is getting a software update on launch and from what I hear it is primarily to plug a hole that moto already found. So you may want to hold off on that update for a bit.
So far, Stephen Bird (aka Birdman) thinks he found an unlock for the bootloader. Hes trying to get people to donate money for him to buy a Droid X lol. Check his twitter.. (its like mrweeeeedbirdman) Hes made like $110 so far.
See this article posted on the MOTODEV blog. It basically told Milestone customers to buy a different device.
Yep, I know that Motorola's not reading. Not listening. They really believe this won't negatively affect their future.
It will.
I'm not a phone geek or a developer. Android seduced me away from Apple with three things. (1) Hardware freedom, (2) software freedom, and (3) operating system freedom. Was it worth it? Mostly.
A choice between handset manufacturers with different design criteria. Yep, Motorola, other people make Android handsets, you cupid stunts.
The software base for android really is lacking when compared to the iPhone ecosystem. While quantity doesn't matter, Apple's devs are way ahead on quality and maturity. For a while, it looked like Android devs were catching up, but that forward progress appears to be stalled now. It doesn't really matter that there's no Android overlord policing the market. There's not much to police. Most of the quality software I'm using on my phone is from Google anyway.
The ability to switch operating systems, actively improve on them via open source methodology, and pick your own poison may be the biggest card that Android has to play. I've flashed my Droid ROM about a dozen times, and the Droid I'm using now is vastly superior to the one I bought. I'm preaching to the choir here, so I won't wax poetic about it....but this is Android's most meaningful market differentiator. It's almost enough to make up for the software deficit.
...and Motorola is throwing it away.
Motorola really doesn't understand the smartphone market. They want to go back to glorified feature phones. I still love my Droid, but buh-bye Motorola.
"Early this morning, i had the droidmod team look at somethings
guess what? the security on the droidx is most likely the exact same as the milestone. Thats right, so if we completely hack the droidx, the milestone will more than likely fall as well.
First we need root, then we need to figure out this boot loader business.
But wait! Birdman! what about the efuse?! Guess what? google "omap3 efuse"
Droid, Milestone, DroidX, Droid2...all these phones have efuse...they just really haven't been put into use...
Will your DroidX explode from unauthorized tinkering? probably not." (emphasis mine)
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"Early this morning, i had the droidmod team look at somethings
guess what? the security on the droidx is most likely the exact same as the milestone. Thats right, so if we completely hack the droidx, the milestone will more than likely fall as well.
First we need root, then we need to figure out this boot loader business.
But wait! Birdman! what about the efuse?! Guess what? google "omap3 efuse"
Droid, Milestone, DroidX, Droid2...all these phones have efuse...they just really haven't been put into use...
Will your DroidX explode from unauthorized tinkering? probably not." (emphasis mine)
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Just tossed 10 bucks into the bucket for Steven. Even though I have my original Droid and don't plan on getting the X, I totally support his efforts to get this puppy cracked for the good of Andro-civilization!
ok ive followed this since the day it was posted. now it makes me wonder did they enable the feature or has it been disabled what, guess ill hold off. im currently undecided on picking this up. just hope its not true for Motorola
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